Re: [IAC#RG] Fwd: [HRD] Boycott temples allowing Rahul Gandhi entry

Dear Mr. Roy,

Had made two very specific points.
Guess, both have rather been fairly squarely established.

To that extent, the campaign of calumny stands exposed for what it is.

I do not have any plan to go beyond that.
I'd only record, in passing, that it's awfully weird and laughable to
demand that I, of all persons, produce the *proof* that "Indira Nehru
(Hindu) and Feroze Gandhi (Parsi/Zorastrian) were lawfully married".
The demand, of course, is of a piece with the campaign of calumny.
That's all.

I, btw, am no ardent votary of the institution of "marriage".
It arose at a certail point of development of human society.
Has undergone many changes since then.
Polygyny, polyandry, child marriage etc are far less ubiquitous today.
While many Indian Hindus will consider "incest" a taboo, to be
practised only outside of marital bondage, for some it's still the
preferred form.
It varies, just not across time, but also across, social and physical, space.
It *may* even disappear with time.
Already, it has ceased to be the *only* form of legitimate conjugal
relationships in many societies.

Sukla

On 18/12/2018, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
> Dear Mr. / Ms. Sen
>
> I am really surprised that a respected activist as yourself is
> side-stepping all the legal points I have raised and is reduced to
> proferring a photograph, or two, as evidence that Shri Rahul Gandhi is
> a high caste Brahmin Hindu of teh Dattatreya gotra and a Shiv bhakt
> descended from Lord Parishsrama or some such nonsense.
>
> Accordingly, I hope that to preserve your own credibility you shall
> respond to my points below
>
> 1) Do you claim that Indira Nehru (Hindu) and Feroze Gandhi
> (Parsi/Zorastrian) were lawfully married? If so where is your proof.
> The only way in which these persons, professing different religions,
> could have been lawfully married at the time (1942) was under Special
> Marriage Act 1872 (Act III of 1872). The so called photo of their
> alleged marriage by Vedic (Arya) rites before fire in Allahabad is no
> proof of such marriage because a Hindu marriage is only valid between
> 2 Hindus.and Feroze Gandhi was a Zorastrian throughout his life
> notwisthstanding that the Congress Party abducted his mortal remains
> and cremated him as a Hindu, a crime which was rectified to the extent
> possible by interring his ashes at the Parsi cemetry in Allahabad. Are
> you claiming that Feroze Gandhi converted to Hinduism ? I assume you
> have read Katherin Frank on this.
>
> 2) Do you claim that the marriage of Rajiv Gandhi (Parsi) and Sonia
> Maino (Roman Catholic) took place under Hindu law ? I have provided
> you clear video evidence that this marriage took place under
> pseudo-/mock Brahmo Samaj rites alongwith a simultaneous registration
> under Special Marriage Act ... In the same way that Sanjay Gandhi and
> Menaka Anand married under Sikh rites followed by Special Marriage Act
> civil marriage as Maneka Gandhi stated in court much later..
>
> So how do you claim that Rahul Gandhi is a Hindu / Brahmin /
> Dattatreya gotra etc and/or is claiming all this on basis of hoary
> descent from KAMALA KAUL ???
>
> Sarbajit Roy
>
> On 12/17/18, Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com> wrote:
>> <<Rahul Gandhi is, of course, no practsing Roman Catholic.
>> There's no evidence, just none, to substantiate that.
>>
>> He, on the other, had lit his father's funeral pyre.>>
>>
>> So, two points were made.
>>
>> I. Rahul Gandhi is, of course, no practsing Roman Catholic.
>> There's no evidence, just none, to substantiate that.
>>
>> II. He, on the other, had lit his father's funeral pyre.
>>
>> AA. The second point first.
>> A documented evidence has been provided.
>> Unless one proves it fake, it stands and suffices.
>> In any case, essentially the same (photographic), but more elaborate,
>> asserion by yet another source:
>> <https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/lEl5qMgmZdFSjtZbaaweYN/Photo-essay-Remembering-Rajiv-Gandhi.html>.
>>
>> BB. Even the fragment from the NYC report, *unsubstantiated as it is*,
>> claims:
>> <<Few doubted that this was code for Mrs. Gandhi's Roman Catholicism,
>> a faith in which her son, Rahul, 27, and her daughter, Priyanka, 26,
>> were also raised.*">>
>> "(A) faith in which ... raised" is just too vague.
>> It does not claim that Rahul and Priyanka were baptised, let alone
>> being practising "practsing Roman Catholic".
>> The "AA" above, of course, goes to contradict that.
>>
>> Sukla
>>
>> On 17/12/2018, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>> Dear Mr/Ms. Sen
>>>
>>> 1. The scholalrly and researched New York Times detailed news article
>>> versus a mere caption to a contemprorary photograph on Times of India.
>>> C'mon !!
>>>
>>> 2. The Congress had physical control of the mortal remains of both
>>> Feroze Gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi (such as they were) and arranged the
>>> mock Hindu funeral rites of cremation in gross disrespect to the
>>> individuals and their Zorastrian faith purey for the electoral gains
>>> which Rahul Gandhi is pursuing..
>>>
>>> Now before you start acting as an apologist of the INC, I suggest you
>>> give some repiles
>>>
>>> 1) Was Indira Gandhi (a Hindu) lawfully married to Feroze Gandhi (a
>>> Zorastrian) ? If so where is your proof of it
>>>
>>> 2) Was Sonia Gandhi (a Christian) ever legally marrid to Rajiv Gandhi
>>> (Zorastrian / Hindu / Arya Samajist) ? If so where is the proof of it.
>>> (See note-1 below)
>>>
>>> The answer / marrage certificate in both cases shall CONCLUSIVELY SHOW
>>> that Indira gandhi and Rajiv Gandhi were separated from their Hindu
>>> families in law. Just for your information it is a matter of public
>>> record that Sanjay Gandhi (a Parsi) married Menaka Anand (Sikh) under
>>> Special Marriage Act
>>>
>>> This is a public challenge to yourself and any other Nehru-Gandhi
>>> apologist anywhere in India to bring forth the civil marrage records
>>> of these 4 persons from which the truth shal emerge. And, please dont
>>> show us any fake marrogae records purporting to be Arya Samaj (1939)
>>> marriages where the parties change their religions before, during and
>>> after the marriage like chameleons.
>>>
>>> Note 1: Why were Brahmo Samaj hymns being sung during the marriage of
>>> Sonia Gandhi ? Why was the marriage conducted by Brahmo Samaj marriage
>>> rites followed by a Special Marriage Act civil regisration and
>>> thereafter of Christian weding cake ?
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKOKerI-sEY
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U05y84sKXZg
>>>
>>> Sarbajit Roy
>>> A SECULAR "BRAHMIC" HINDU
>>>
>>> On 12/17/18, Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> <<(A) faith in which her son, Rahul, 27, and her daughter, Priyanka,
>>>> 26, were also raised.>>
>>>>
>>>> An unsubstantiated assertion.
>>>> The accompanying picture just proves nothing.
>>>> The report is dated Feb. 1998.
>>>>
>>>> This, if at all, proves something:
>>>> <https://www.timescontent.com/syndication-photos/reprint/news/302022/rajiv-gandhi-funeral-pyre-rahul-gan.html>.
>>>> This was on May 24, 1991.
>>>>
>>>> Sukla
>>>>
>>>> On 17/12/2018, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Dear Mr / Ms. Sukla Sen
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/1998/02/27/world/sonia-gandhi-the-foreigner-startles-the-political-pundits.html
>>>>>
>>>>> "*Then, as the polls showed the Congress Party's support picking up,
>>>>> men
>>>>> like Atal Bihari Vajpayee and Lal Krishna Advani, who would lead a
>>>>> Hindu
>>>>> nationalist Government, became increasingly shrill, warning of the
>>>>> dangers
>>>>> of a ''Rome Raj.'' Few doubted that this was code for Mrs. Gandhi's
>>>>> Roman
>>>>> Catholicism, a faith in which her son, Rahul, 27, and her daughter,
>>>>> Priyanka, 26, were also raised.*"
>>>>>
>>>>> also
>>>>>
>>>>> [image: rahul.jpg]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM Sukla Sen <sukla.sen@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Rahul Gandhi is, of course, no practsing Roman Catholic.
>>>>>> There's no evidence, just none, to substantiate that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> He, on the other, had lit his father's funeral pyre.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sukla
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 17/12/2018, Sarbajit Roy <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net> wrote:
>>>>>> > Dear Commander Nag
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Secularism essentially implies separation of religion (Church) and
>>>>>> > State
>>>>>> > (Government). Unfortunately this is a new India where these
>>>>>> > shameless
>>>>>> > politicians perpetuate the same divide and rule strategies which
>>>>>> > kept
>>>>>> India
>>>>>> > enslaved for our wealth to be looted systematically by foreigners.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Let me add to Colonel Dalvi's remarks.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Rahul Gandhi it seems has no religion, being at various times a
>>>>>> > practicising Roman Catholic, a Hindu who visits temples, a Muslim
>>>>>> > who
>>>>>> prays
>>>>>> > at mosques, a Swami Narayan who worships avatars of Vishni, a self
>>>>>> > proclaimed Shiv bhakta descendant of Lord Parushrama, the list of
>>>>>> > his
>>>>>> > avatars is endless.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Obviously no True Hindu schooled and steeped in Hindu knowledge,
>>>>>> > like
>>>>>> > Colonel Dalvi is, will put up with such posturing and
>>>>>> > impersonations.
>>>>>> For a
>>>>>> > True Hindu, the world is not a stage and actors like Rahul Gandhi
>>>>>> > and
>>>>>> > Narendrabhau Modi will not be tolerated for their poor acting.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > What Colonel Dalvi is actually saying, for those who understand it,
>>>>>> > is
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> > these Hindu temples which admit Rahul Gandhi or Narendra Modi are
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> dens
>>>>>> > for perversions of Hinduism which are corrupting India, and if
>>>>>> > either
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > BJP or the Congress.or any other party supports building the
>>>>>> > so-called
>>>>>> > RamMandir at Ayodhyaya there will be a True Hindu backlash tsunami.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > respectfully
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Sarbajit Roy
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 8:19 AM Hirak Nag
>>>>>> > <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >> I am sorry Rajinder Dalvi, as I understand, a true Hindu, and I
>>>>>> >> have
>>>>>> been
>>>>>> >> born and brought up that way, welcomes all people into our fully
>>>>>> >> secular
>>>>>> >> fold without 'bias'-BIAS ! May you please with draw your statement
>>>>>> >> on
>>>>>> >> Rahul
>>>>>> >> Gandhi, IF you are a HINDU, Hirak Kumar Nag, Bengali of Barodi's
>>>>>> >> Nag
>>>>>> >> family.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>>>>> >> for
>>>>>> >> Windows 10
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> *From: *Rajinder Dalvi <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>> >> *Sent: *16 December 2018 19:50
>>>>>> >> *To: *indiaresists <indiaresists@lists.riseup.net>
>>>>>> >> *Subject: *[IAC#RG] Fwd: [HRD] Boycott temples allowing Rahul
>>>>>> >> Gandhi
>>>>>> >> entry
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> To all dear secular friends, brothers and sisters
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> https://www.indiatoday.in/elections/story/rahul-gandhi-a-dattatreya-brahmin-decoding-the-gandhi-gotra-1397570-2018-11-27
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Once more this Raol Vincenzio Maino is polluting our sacred Hindu
>>>>>> >> temple
>>>>>> >> claiming that he is Kashmiri Brahmin (Kaul) of Dattreya gotra.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> Are we the pure Hindus such eunuchs to tolerate his lies ?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> NB: If he said his gotra was Kashyap, we would have not been so
>>>>>> insulted.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> RD
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Peace Is Doable
>>>>>>
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