1/10/14Mr. Anuj,Regarding your programme it is obvous that he/ s, Roy does not find your efforts against porn wrong. He is only cautioningyou that your platform is not used by people who have their own agenda like conversion. Nothing wrong in it.Incidently I find that you are using this link to propogate YOUR OWN proramme and never express your stand on other issues that are discussed. For instance there is a discussion going on related to issues like homo-sexuality,prostituion etc. What Maulik Bharat has to say on this?RegdsJKGaur
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:26:23 +0530
From: maulikbharat@gmail.com
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Maulik Bharat Press Release - Open Debate effective curbs on crimes against women and burgeoning illegal trade of drugs and vulgarity;Dear SarvjitjeePPT of Dixon was a part of our program. Our society is facing an attack in the form of porn sites & drug culture, In PPT negative impact of porn are discussed in scientific way. Why all these is wrong. You are trying to divert our focus from social issue o religious. Important thing is existence of our society, our culture and value system. Porn culture which is going to impose on us without any debate and legal permission working like disaster for all specially for women. Your philosophy of individuality never be beyond the society. Men is a social animal and its always remain fact. Our country is in a very challenging face . For our young generation healthy and constrictive brain with innovation and entrepreneurship skill is the requirement of he time. Any effort like addiction of racing/ gaming/ mall culture/ porn, tobacco, drugs& alcohol addiction or excess of obscenity and vulgarity may destroy his/ her wisdom and divert him from the goal of life . First make them mature and caliber-ed then start discussion on the other issues.ThanksAnujOn Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Anuj ji
My concern was not to fact that Dixon participated in the open
sessions, open to anybody, but that, through oversight, his PDF file
was circulated along with the record of proceedings of the conference,
which gave it undeserved prominence and status.
Anyway thanks for the information of what these people are circulating
by misusing kindness of Indian hospitality and openness which they
would never enjoy in their own country. We all have to be alert
against such corrupting influences.
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, maulikbharat <maulikbharat@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarvjitjee,
>
> I know very well that Dr Dominic Dixion is working with church. But
> its also a fact that he is working on bed impact of porn. Maulik Bharat
> organise a open debate on these issue and Dixion was a suitable person to
> share his experience. We was focus on our topic and also invite all
> religious group and social/ political organisation and anybody may express
> his or her views. It was not a religious program. Please help us to focus
> and fight for our cause. Anyway thanks for input. We will keep in mind in
> future.
>
> With regard
> Anuj
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Re: [IAC#RG] Maulik Bharat Press Release - Open Debate effective curbs on crimes against women and burgeoning illegal trade of drugs and vulgarity;
Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity
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In view of the knowledge that medical sciences provide us about homosexuality, we need to accommodate our views on the matter a bit leniently. It would be imprudent to take extreme stand.Here is my write up on this that will appear in newspapers in coming week:Gay Rights Resolution at the UN: India abstains
While Indian Prime Minister is in USA, the Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif – as if to stymie the Indian head's visit- raked up the issue of Kashmir at the U.N. Speaking in New York at the United Nations- coinciding with Modi's arrival in New York- Pakistani premier demanded that Kashmiris have the right to self-determination. However, Mr. Modi played cool next day during his speech at the U.N. and raised the issue of terrorism with direct reference to Pakistan.
In the midst of all this, an important decision by India at the United Nations did not catch the media attention. On the same day that Indian Prime Minister arrived in USA, India decided to abstain from voting on the resolution passed at the U.N. supporting the gay rights. On September 26, 2014, the UN passed a resolution opposing discrimination and violence against members of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) community. The United Nations Human Rights Council put a motion condemning violence and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. The resolution was passed by 25-14 votes. USA, Germany, France, UK, Japan, South Korea and South Africa supported the resolution, while many member countries of Organization for Islamic Cooperation (OIC) including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and UAE voted against the motion. Saudi Arabia was particularly fierce in its opposition to the rights for gays, and called it "an attempt to impose uniculturality" that "runs counter to religious and cultural practices in some countries".
World's largest democracy that India is, by abstaining from this resolution missed an opportunity to stand for the rights and dignity that gay people have been demanding. With the advent of medical science, the perception about homosexuality needs to change. However even if society has difference of opinion on homosexuality, most will agree that the gay community should not be subject to ridicule, discrimination and violence just because of their sexual orientation.
Munish K Raizada, MD, FAAPBoard Certified Neonatologist
Chicago, USA
Phone: USA: 1- 217 720 9331 ; India: 098737- 03054Skype: munish.raizadaFollow me at:On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 2:21 AM, Gaur J K <gaurjk@hotmail.com> wrote:1/10/14Dear Mr. Joshi,I fully support your views.S. Roy is a man of extreme views. Some times I wonder if this is not for eliciting extreme reactions.He is vehimently opposed to foreign influences in matters of finance and governance but seem to embrace them in matters of morality ,ethics, family and societal structure.Perhaps his stated position on secularism is compelling him to support homosexuality.Possiblly also because all religious groups-Hindu,Muslim,Christians are opposed including Baba Ramdev.Then why S. Roy is opposed to Pornography?Is all this not under the influence of US and European culture?Is S.Roy justifying under the human rights umbrella and personal choices? All these concepts are foreign to India.Please alsoremember there is a very thin line between liberty and libertine and freedom and anarchy.RegdsJKGaur
From: naishadhjoshi@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:37:38 +0530
To: indiaresists@lists.riseup.net
Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtityHi Sarabjit,Greetings.You have proposed exactly what is opposite to charter of IAC and also very character of Indian culture. You in person are known for your idiosyncratic integrity of thoughts. I don't know how you fell for his lackadaisical approach.You are proposing to breed corruption of thoughts in worst putrid manner.You are proposing to expedite decomposition of Indian society with clinical accuracy.You are doing so in the name of freedom of choice, that is exactly what is corrupt & depraved.Next you will canvass freedom of polygamy. Lowering age for marriage and permitting what is now called child marriage. Next you will propose abortion for unmarried women. You will also propose to legalise bestiality as beasts do not have right of consent while men have freedom to choose mode of sensual pleasure. Next you will propose non-penetrative sex even with children. You can have freedom of sexual demonstration in public as time & place of deriving pleasure cannot be regulated by law which will according to you will be inconveniently restricting freedom of choice of consenting adults. Lackaday! group sex is most certainly freedom of collective choice of consenting adults. Wake up IAC!28 countries have suddenly amended their laws to permit homosexuality. Why sudden burst everywhere? It is a sponsored centrally funded project to globally eradicate present marriage institute which legitimise birth of child from copulation between man & wife which called parentage. If child embryo is to be manufactured in laboratory and marketed as per customised needs, present marriage laws must go for good. Marriage between man & woman is root cause of non-marketability of assembled embryo at large scale. Surrogacy marketing has crystallised this much. In 2040, these laboratories will come in forefront when we all will finally realise our freedom of choice was abused in worst manner for destroying structure of society by taking down its pylon of marriage just for the sake of profiteering from factory production of human/living embryo duly tailor-made per choice.What people get by natural copulation free of charge in marriage, for the same thing, people cannot be compelled to shell out large sums of money for the same thing - conceiving child.For total chaos, What you have proposed will be bedrock.Enjoy the corporate planning for 25 years.On 30 September 2014 15:54, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of freedom interfere with others freedom"Further, prostitution is required to be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers.These are all much needed law amendmentregardsOn Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear Raminder,
Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".
In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.
"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami
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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity
Gay Rights Resolution at the UN: India abstains
While Indian Prime Minister is in USA, the Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif – as if to stymie the Indian head's visit- raked up the issue of Kashmir at the U.N. Speaking in New York at the United Nations- coinciding with Modi's arrival in New York- Pakistani premier demanded that Kashmiris have the right to self-determination. However, Mr. Modi played cool next day during his speech at the U.N. and raised the issue of terrorism with direct reference to Pakistan.
In the midst of all this, an important decision by India at the United Nations did not catch the media attention. On the same day that Indian Prime Minister arrived in USA, India decided to abstain from voting on the resolution passed at the U.N. supporting the gay rights. On September 26, 2014, the UN passed a resolution opposing discrimination and violence against members of LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender) community. The United Nations Human Rights Council put a motion condemning violence and discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity. The resolution was passed by 25-14 votes. USA, Germany, France, UK, Japan, South Korea and South Africa supported the resolution, while many member countries of Organization for Islamic Cooperation (OIC) including Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and UAE voted against the motion. Saudi Arabia was particularly fierce in its opposition to the rights for gays, and called it "an attempt to impose uniculturality" that "runs counter to religious and cultural practices in some countries".
World's largest democracy that India is, by abstaining from this resolution missed an opportunity to stand for the rights and dignity that gay people have been demanding. With the advent of medical science, the perception about homosexuality needs to change. However even if society has difference of opinion on homosexuality, most will agree that the gay community should not be subject to ridicule, discrimination and violence just because of their sexual orientation.
Chicago, USA
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1/10/14Dear Mr. Joshi,I fully support your views.S. Roy is a man of extreme views. Some times I wonder if this is not for eliciting extreme reactions.He is vehimently opposed to foreign influences in matters of finance and governance but seem to embrace them in matters of morality ,ethics, family and societal structure.Perhaps his stated position on secularism is compelling him to support homosexuality.Possiblly also because all religious groups-Hindu,Muslim,Christians are opposed including Baba Ramdev.Then why S. Roy is opposed to Pornography?Is all this not under the influence of US and European culture?Is S.Roy justifying under the human rights umbrella and personal choices? All these concepts are foreign to India.Please alsoremember there is a very thin line between liberty and libertine and freedom and anarchy.RegdsJKGaur
From: naishadhjoshi@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 07:37:38 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtityHi Sarabjit,Greetings.You have proposed exactly what is opposite to charter of IAC and also very character of Indian culture. You in person are known for your idiosyncratic integrity of thoughts. I don't know how you fell for his lackadaisical approach.You are proposing to breed corruption of thoughts in worst putrid manner.You are proposing to expedite decomposition of Indian society with clinical accuracy.You are doing so in the name of freedom of choice, that is exactly what is corrupt & depraved.Next you will canvass freedom of polygamy. Lowering age for marriage and permitting what is now called child marriage. Next you will propose abortion for unmarried women. You will also propose to legalise bestiality as beasts do not have right of consent while men have freedom to choose mode of sensual pleasure. Next you will propose non-penetrative sex even with children. You can have freedom of sexual demonstration in public as time & place of deriving pleasure cannot be regulated by law which will according to you will be inconveniently restricting freedom of choice of consenting adults. Lackaday! group sex is most certainly freedom of collective choice of consenting adults. Wake up IAC!28 countries have suddenly amended their laws to permit homosexuality. Why sudden burst everywhere? It is a sponsored centrally funded project to globally eradicate present marriage institute which legitimise birth of child from copulation between man & wife which called parentage. If child embryo is to be manufactured in laboratory and marketed as per customised needs, present marriage laws must go for good. Marriage between man & woman is root cause of non-marketability of assembled embryo at large scale. Surrogacy marketing has crystallised this much. In 2040, these laboratories will come in forefront when we all will finally realise our freedom of choice was abused in worst manner for destroying structure of society by taking down its pylon of marriage just for the sake of profiteering from factory production of human/living embryo duly tailor-made per choice.What people get by natural copulation free of charge in marriage, for the same thing, people cannot be compelled to shell out large sums of money for the same thing - conceiving child.For total chaos, What you have proposed will be bedrock.Enjoy the corporate planning for 25 years.On 30 September 2014 15:54, SURESHAN P <sureshandelhi@gmail.com> wrote:Completely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of freedom interfere with others freedom"Further, prostitution is required to be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers.These are all much needed law amendmentregardsOn Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Post: "indiaresists@lists.riseup.net"Dear Raminder,
Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".
In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.
"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami
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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity
One does agree with Shri Shanti Bhushan ji.We are marginalizing a part of our society which unfortunately does exist.
The legalization of same will help all avail of our Respected Justice System.
Regards.
On 1 Oct 2014 08:01, "Shanti Bhushan" <shantibhush@gmail.com> wrote:Yes prostitution must be legalized and regulated.
Sent from my iPadCompletely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of freedom interfere with others freedom"Further, prostitution is required to be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers.These are all much needed law amendmentregardsOn Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Raminder,
Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".
In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.
"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami
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RE: [IAC#RG] Maulik Bharat Press Release - Open Debate effective curbs on crimes against women and burgeoning illegal trade of drugs and vulgarity;
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 11:26:23 +0530
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Subject: Re: [IAC#RG] Maulik Bharat Press Release - Open Debate effective curbs on crimes against women and burgeoning illegal trade of drugs and vulgarity;
Dear Anuj ji
My concern was not to fact that Dixon participated in the open
sessions, open to anybody, but that, through oversight, his PDF file
was circulated along with the record of proceedings of the conference,
which gave it undeserved prominence and status.
Anyway thanks for the information of what these people are circulating
by misusing kindness of Indian hospitality and openness which they
would never enjoy in their own country. We all have to be alert
against such corrupting influences.
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, maulikbharat <maulikbharat@gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear Sarvjitjee,
>
> I know very well that Dr Dominic Dixion is working with church. But
> its also a fact that he is working on bed impact of porn. Maulik Bharat
> organise a open debate on these issue and Dixion was a suitable person to
> share his experience. We was focus on our topic and also invite all
> religious group and social/ political organisation and anybody may express
> his or her views. It was not a religious program. Please help us to focus
> and fight for our cause. Anyway thanks for input. We will keep in mind in
> future.
>
> With regard
> Anuj
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Re: [IAC#RG] IAC's position on homosexualtity
The legalization of same will help all avail of our Respected Justice System.
Regards.
Yes prostitution must be legalized and regulated.
Sent from my iPadCompletely agree with this proposal, Freedom of an individual is utmost important and government has no role to curtail it unless and until enjoyment of freedom interfere with others freedom"Further, prostitution is required to be legalized and regulated, This will save many sex workers from police atrocities and forced sex. Even regularized prostitution will give a right to every sex worker to live freely and fearlessly and they are not required to work just like a bonded labor under a pimp or brothel managers.These are all much needed law amendmentregardsOn Tue, Sep 30, 2014 at 9:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy <sroy.mb@gmail.com> wrote:Dear Raminder,
Seriously, for a long time I have been wondering if IAC should settle
its policy on "unpopular" issues like homosexuality, birth /
population control in the same way that we have an unpopular position
on "right to own and bear arms".
In keeping with the clauses in IAC's charter on inclusiveness,
diversity, secularism etc. I propose a sense of the house motion on
the following lines.
"That India Against Corruption supports the freedom of every person
resident within the territory of India to explore all forms and
variations of consensual sexual practices, and marry irrespective of
gender. That accordingly laws like Indian Penal Code and Special
Marriage Act etc. require to be amended."
Sarbajit
On 9/30/14, Raminder Singh <ramisingh.bbc@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sarabjit
>
> Good One :)
> And here's another :-
>
> The RSS, VHP and Vatican all have something in common. Being being mostly
> practicing closet homosexuals, they all denounce homosexuality in public.
>
> Rami
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